Ye men of Judea, and all you that dwell on Medjugorje, be this known to you, and with your ears receive my words. “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema.” (Gal1:8)
RULE # 1 CATHOLIC DOCTRINE – Only 1 ERROR of Doctrine, the Revelation is Rejected. CCC # = The Catholic Apostolic Constitution:
God is Truth: (CCC 215, 217)
#215 The sum of your word is Truth,…(Ps119:160), …no darkness (Jn1:5, 4:8), steadfast love…to a thousand generations (Dt7:9)
#217 God is truthful when he reveals Himself....”to bear witness to the truth” (Jn18:37) this how we know (Jn17:3)
(Saint Augustine)…If you believe what you like in the gospels, and reject what you don’t like, it is not the gospel you believe, but yourself.
Therefore: Just One error of DOCTRINE, the Church MUST reject this or any apparition!
And they were persevering in the doctrine of the apostles, and in the communication of the breaking of bread, and in prayers. (Acts2:42)
I – HERESY, – INDIFFERENTISM
Here is a list of Medjugorje statements promoting Masonic Doctrine not Catholic, that is defined as Indifferntism, by the Church:
a. Oct. 1, 1981: “All religions are equal before God,” says the Virgin. (Chronological Corpus of Medjugorje, p. 317) [stated equality here]
b. “In God there are no divisions or religions; it is you in the world who have created divisions.” (Faricy, p.51) (implied equality here!)
c. “God directs all denominations as a king directs his subjects, through the medium of his ministers” (“The Apparitions at Medjugorje,” by Fr. Svat Kraljevic, 1984, p.58) [implied equality here]
d. “Each one’s religion must be respected, and you must preserve yours for yourselves and for your children.” (Kraljevic, p.68) [implied equality here]
e. “The Virgin added: ‘It is you who are divided on this earth. The Muslims and the Orthodox, like the Catholics, are equal before my Son and before me, for you are all my children.” (Fr. Ljubic, p.71)
f. There is but one God for all people, but people have conjured up several religions. My Son is the one Mediator and Savior of all people, but, as I see it, people get on well if they live their own religion well, if they follow their conscience. [Indifferent-error – follow your own conscience, NOT follow God’s Word. “My church”…]
g. Question to Vicka: “Is the Blessed Mother calling all people to be Catholic?”
Answer from Vicka: “No. The Blessed Mother says all religions are dear to her and her Son.”
CCC452: Neither is there salvation in any other. For there is no other name under heaven given to men, whereby we must be saved. (Acts4:12)
CCC #2083 Jesus summed up man’s duties toward God…. “You shall Love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.” (Mt22:37; Lk10:27) and you shall have no other gods before me…. (Dt.5:6-9)…….. He that receives you, receives me: and he that receive me, receive him that sent me.” [Matthew 10:40]
“He that hear you, hear me; and he that despise you, despise me; and he that despise me, despise him that sent me.” [Luke 10:16]
“That they all may be one, as thou, Father, in me, and I in thee; that they also may be one in us; that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.” [John 17:21]
II – MOCKING the MOTHER OF GOD and ALL the SAINTS
“I am not a mediator, Jesus ask that all prayers go direct to Him.” Their gospa says: “I do not dispose of all graces…Jesus prefers that you address your petitions directly to him, rather than through an intermediary.” (Chron. Corp. p.181, 277-278)
CCC#487-501, and 955-964…Medjugorje is contrary to ALL of these!
Yet this gospa never stops interceding, even though she says we are not, we are not to ask for her intercession anymore then why this relentless appearances?, aka interceding, allegedly for 38 years?
#494 – ..”being obedient she became the cause of salvation for herself and the whole human race”,St.. Irenaeus. ….”Hail O favored one,..(Lk1:28-38); ….we received grace and apostleship to bring about obedience of faith …(Rom1:5) (LG56)
#501…but her spiritual motherhood extends to all men whom indeed He came to save.”; “… Woman behold your son….(Jn19:16:17);…predestined to be conformed to the image of His son… (Rom8:29); the dragon was angry with the woman…. war with the on the rest of her offspring…(Rev12:17)
#949-963,964-972: Communion of Saints:
#964– Mary’s role in the church is inseparable from he union with her Son in the work of salvation.
[Apostolic Creed : I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy Catholic Church, communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins and life everlasting.]
#955…in union of the wayfarers,with brethren who sleep in peace..by an exchange of spiritual goods. #956- the intercession of the saints….They DO NOT cease to intercede with the Father for us.”
Mason’s (or their false christians) deny, and therefore don’t know or understand “communion of saints”. So these obvious errors are spoken. They Mock the Mother of God. We revere her. The lack of logic in these claims above and yet they maintain these ongoing messages – baffles me.
III – EVIL in God’s Works and BLASPHEMES
The gospa asked her for a 4th delay, Mijana response, “ “When God asks your MUST do it”
First, your personal gospa is asking, not God, and second – Sorry you have “free will”, and are demonstrating IT!
CCC #2084 – 86 “You shall worship the Lord your God and Him only shall you serve.”
ccc2085 (Ex19:16-25, 24:15-18)
[This gospa is NOT GOD or Of God!, (200-231, 2066, 2084, 2095) 200 –“I believe in One God”.#212 – God alone Is; #215 God is Truth (Ps119:160)- “The beginning of thy words is truth: all the judgments of thy justice are for ever.”
So God did not Require any seer to do anything….] Mary is a creature just like us.
1st Commandment –(CCC# 1731,1733,1736-7,1740)
Maybe Ivanko was not called either? : Ivan lied to a Church Commission while studying to be a priest (he later flunked out of the seminary). But rather admit the truth, claims his gospa gave him another calling?
Whenever I come to you my Son comes with me, but so does satan.” Uh??
City: This is Astonishing… but classic Masonic ethics….their morals expect them tell the truth, though it is to be hidden, in this they reveal their god Satan! See: (Rev12:6 Gen3:15) -“I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel.” God has no.. “…no darkness (Jn1:5, 4:8);
CCC385, 311, 313 –
#385 “ When a strong man… but when a stronger, man comes in….divides his spoil.” (Lk11:21-22); “…Law came in….where sin increased, grace abounded all the more” (Rom8:29); “Judgment….ruler of this world is judged. (Jn16:11) ; “He who commits sin is of the devil….. (1Jn3:8)
311 ….For almighty God would never allow any EVIL Whatsoever to exist in His works….St Augustine, Enchirdion 3,11:Pl40, 236.[see also:St Augustine, De Libero I,I,I Discourse on IF God as author of Evil and St. Thomas Aquinas, ‘Summa’, I-II, 79,1. “Intellectual power…. understanding does not have to be the soul’s substance, but rather its power and ability.”
#313. “We know that in everything God works for good for those who love Him”. (Rom8:28) ….City asks: Could this be what is now happening in Medjugorje?
IV – MOCKING the CHURCH
Church celebrates September 8th as Mary’s birthday. Her Immaculate Conception on Dec 8th
Gospa says it’s August5th. Infallibility of Church question on faith and morals “Another mockery of the Church”, with this claim, by their gospa! It is a matter of Faith that her birth day or John the Baptist of Jesus The Christ is the day the Church says it is. – The Church of Rome adopted it in the seventh century from the East; it is found in the Gelasian (seventh cent.) and the Gregorian (eighth to ninth cent.).
(CCC 890)- “It is this Magisterium’s task to preserve God’s people from deviations and defections and to guarantee them the objective possibility of professing the true faith without error…. To fulfill this service, Christ endowed the Church’s shepherds with the charism of infallibility in matters of faith and morals.” “I am the light of the world; he who follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.” (John 8:12)
In the Constitution “Ineffabilis Deus” of December 8, 1854, Pius IX pronounced and defined that the Blessed Virgin Mary “in the first instant of her conception, by a singular privilege and grace granted by God, in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Savior of the human race, was preserved exempt from all stain of original sin” (Denzinger, “Enchiridion”, 10th ed., n. 1641).
“Am I free to reject any non-definitive teachings that I don’t like?”
Not at all! .We must believe these teachings, too, although a lesser degree of belief is required. The technical expression is “a religious submission of mind and will”. This is less than the absolute assent of faith, but it still means that we must honestly strive to understand and accept these teachings. .As a practical matter, we should assume that the even Church’s non-definitive teachings are correct. They are still made with the assistance of the Holy Spirit, although not to the degree that guarantees that they’re free of error.
V NOT HOLY, – HERZEGOVINA FRANCISCANS IN SCHISM Since 1975
Gospa responds?: “ Jozo looks well. (speaking of him in jail)……..”he is a Saint I already told you.”
A Seer (Vicka) then perpetrates her mocking of the Church from St Peter’s escape, having the gospa say Jozo was released from prison miraculously,” but no one believes it”.
(In reality this priest was blatantly and habitually disobedient to his Superiors, Aug 1989 Bishop Zanic suspends Jozo ( the Saint?), he appealed to Congregations for the Evangelization of the Peoples 2/15/ 1990, but lost, confirmed and sent him far from Medjgorje to a convent. Not until Fr T. Vlasik (see reference below)was suspended by the Vatican in 2008, did Jozo comply, now stationed in a distant island far from Medjugorje!
CCC # 2012-15; 2028-30: CHRISTIAN HOLINESS:
ccc2012– …and those whom he justified he also glorified (Rom8:28-30)
#2013….all Christians are called to the fullness of Christian Life and to perfection in Charity.2014–Spiritual progress tends toward ever more Union with Christ.
#2015- the way to perfection….no holiness without renunciation and spiritual battle (refer St Gregory of Nicea)
#2029 – If any man would come after me, let him deny himself….(Mt16:24)
Although it is entirely possible Jozo, or the others, could repent, breaking his Priestly vows in disobedience before God is not usually evidence, he will be granted such Grace. Words from John of the Cross : We must suspect those apparitions, that lack dignity or proper reserve, above all those that are ridiculous. This last characteristic is a mark of human or diabolical machinations.
The list of this DEVIANT CHURCH goes on several Priests suspensions. Pope Paul VI, in 1975 ordered the Herzegovina Franciscans to OBEDIENCE, over 12 parishes under their control. They refused, this after their prior agreement, long before!
Our Lady says, because: gospa – “through you, [I want] to [save the whole world.]
Gospas comes to the Seers to “save the whole world”, this is not Catholic doctrine. ..remember when it was this gospa that said, she no longer is a mediatrix – send petitions directly to her Son? NOW THIS: This ‘world saving’ statement invokes two problems, 1.Seers ‘mediating for gospa?’ accomplishing her tasks, not her. 2) their gospa will save the world, absent is her Son, Jesus in this redeeming sentence.
Recently, this Gospa is determined to reach ALL her children, she will visit every home of her children if necessary, or until we all show up to their “Simony magic act”?? or “pay for play” speaking engagements of the SEERS?
See CCC #452-4; Jesus our Redeemer:
452– The name Jesus means, “God saves”. The child born of the Virgin….for He will save his people from their sins. (Mt1:21): there is NO OTHER name in heaven…..must be saved (Acts4:12)
453 The title “Christ” means Anointed One. …., with power (Acts10:38); who is to come (Lk7:19); .. “the hope of Israel” (Acts28:20)
454 the title Lord….. to confess or invoke Jesus is to believe in his divinity.. (1Cor12:3)
VI – FALSE PENTACOSTAL-ISM
ARTICLE 5 – THE ANOINTING of the SICK:
Advising against God’s Natural Law: It is claimed that on 25 July 1982 Our Lady said: “Pray for the sick! Fast for the sick! Lay your hands on them! Administer them charismatic anointing with oil! Any layman can do it!”
Gospa gives advice against scripture and Natural Law, the Seers just don’t know their Catechism,
thus following Evangelical errors that often do not heal but result in demonic obsession, oppression or possession! The Seers (ie their gospa) have made a common dogmatic error, that many Evangelicals do concerning this passage.
[ What does the Church teach?#1510, 871-945]
Our Ordained priests (elders) have consecrated hands, thus by natural law (written in the books of Moses), Priest and priests alone have such authority,a parent can lay hands on their child, husband on his Lawful Sacramental wife only, but other than these two exceptions, Lay people do NOT have the authority to “lay hands” on others. This is God’s natural Law, not the Church’s! Even this gospa cannot change it! [ CityofGod.Blog -post on the Hierarchical Church designed by Jesus, just as the Old Testament, even He didn’t change it, so you think you or other charismatics can? For further instruction on authority and duties prescribed ccc871-945, Let the City know IF you find a Lay duty or authority granted to “lay on hands” in their prescribed DUTIES!] DO NOT DO IT!
CCC893 – The Bishop is “the steward of the grace of the supreme priesthood”, (LG26) Only the Bishop blesses the oils (once a year).
This Natural Law, is how the non-catholics are constantly inviting divisions in their church, and confusions. Tragic really!
[City advice- do NOT bless others especially lay Eucharistic ministers, you are without authority. Your hands are not consecrated to God, are they?] Be safe not sorry!
CCC1510 The Apostolic Church has its own Rite for the SICK attested to by St James: “ Is any among you sick? Let him call the elders
of the church and let them pray over him, anointing hum with oil un the name of the Lord; and the prayers of the faith will save the sick man,…..sins, he will be forgiven. (Jas5:14-15) Council of Constantinople II (553) Ds216; “…. clearly anointing is to be interpreted and understood for the sick faithful...” Council of Florence (1439: DS 1324-5…. “5thsacrament ….olive oil blessed by the bishop….” Council of Trent (1551)DS 1716-7) – “If anyone says…..not a sacrament instituted by our Lord…..let him be Anathema!”
ccc1511: …Cast out demons and anointed with oil many that were sick (Mk6:13); (Jas5:14-5); Council of Trent (1551) DS 1696 “ …. evil spirit who lies in wait for his heel” (Gen3:15)…. for the salvation of the soul.”
VII – MORE ACTIONS – AGAINST THE 10 COMMANDMENTS
The TEN COMMANDMENTS -Section 2 and 3 of the Apostolic Constitution
CCC #2052-2557- City cannot judge these Seers and all their 50,000 messages. However, I want to point to out that 38 years of daily messages from a saint in heaven should be showered with fruits of holiness and that requires sinlessness. (see St Teresa of Avila – Interior Castle, or St John Climacus: The Ladder of Divine Ascent ) I want to point to the more commonly known problems with the Seers. The character or the Seers is AT ISSUE: as the Church history of approved apparitions prove.
#2120 Sacrilege – consists of in profaning or treating unworthily the sacraments and other liturgical actions. City has noted many times the use of Mockery of our faith using incidents from the gospel and new testament,such as the releasing of St Peter from Jail. Or the eating of the Eucharist from the Monstrance. Confessions and celebration of mass by the Franciscan priests after loosing their authority to practice in the Bishops Diocese. Attributing anti- Catholic doctrines to have been said by Jesus or Mary, up to 50,000 times. Or treating unworthily the Virgin Mary by touching the veil, hand, dress, or that she drops baby Jesus as her excuse for failing the ecstasy test. Of course in a false apparition, these attributions are not actually being done, and it amounts to mockery of the Catholic faith instead….same sin.
“Friday 4 September, 1981. The messages of Medjugorje include a sacrilegious story about a bloody handkerchief. quoted by the Bishop from Vicka’s diary: MORE MOCKERY OF THE CHURCH
#2121 SIMONY – is defined as the buying and selling of spiritual things. The massive commercialization of an unapproved apparition fits this disorder in Medjugorje. Based on what has been printed of the SEERS they could fall under this: Speeches, real estate rentals, tours, travel agencies, spiritual goods, all for profit. One wonders, how many others are complicit several priests,villagers fall into this category…Given the Church’s admonishments from the Local ordinary, and several Bishop commissions Etc. Even people in the USA claiming copy-cat visions, and setting up travel with this huge cloud of false-hoods yet to be satisfactorily explained.
Their Gospa promotes SIMONY:
Dec. 26, 1983: …But the Virgin takes the side of the chief propagandist for Medjugorje: “Our Lady prays for this work (i.e., the writings of Fr. Rene Laurentin.) May he who undertakes it do so in prayer, which is where he will find his inspiration.” (Laurentin, p.105-111
August 1, 1984: The Virgin says: “Make the priests read the Abbe Laurentin’s book and spread it.” (A Franciscan from Belgrade received this reply, when he had the seers bring up the matter to the Virgin.)
Mar 1995: Vicka lied again, claiming that the Blessed Virgin Mary had said that she wanted a 100 bed hotel built–a statement used to squeeze money from benefactors.[Laurentin, René. Medjugorje Testament: Hostility Abounds, Grace Superabounds. Toronto: Ave Maria Press, 1998 ]
” Laurentin writes that “some benefactors (let’s call them B.) of Medjugorje were asked in March of 1995 to finance the construction of a Pastoral Centre in Medjugorje, in fact a 100 bed hotel with a chapel for pilgrims. Vicka was supposed to have said to the promoters, ‘Our Lady wants this hotel.‘[!]…She apologized in writing for having given an apparently negative response to Father Slavko [i.e., lied].” Laurentin candidly admits that “one of Slavko’s correspondents is stunned that Vicka, educated by Our Lady for a period of 14 years, would still lie in such an insignificant matter…” True, but is there not something even more stunning in this story–an even greater and clearly blasphemous lie—that Our Lady, who gave birth to Jesus in a manger amid poverty, would go into real estate?
SIMONY – SIDEBAR- The WHY? To the Herzegovina Question:
City has written that a Vatican priest was able to document that 6 months before the first gospa siting, there would be an apparition in Herzegovina. “ I will send you the blessed Virgin”.Father Vlassic was part of that story. Well although it is unproven (unless the Franciscan of Herzegovina priest admitted to this in his Defrocking), the following scenario as to how, these charismatic priest schemed this in advance, by getting a nun dressed in white and white veil to appear on the mountain, when the children went up on what is now “apparition hill” pretending to be the Blessed Virgin. This one reporter said the rumor was around the village, as they explained why they did not believe the Franciscan of Herezegovina priest when he announced the children had seen the Blessed Virgin Mary. Or is this just another deception from the king of deception and his merry band of minions? Vlasic is said to have denied this, claiming he was stationed in Italy. But that is only one hour away or so, and he was the first replacement to become a central figure to sustain the messages for several early years. In the middle of his appeal to the Vatican he abruptly accepted his sanctions, and the investigation therefore ended. One day we may learn the truth. Or Not?
2162. 2nd Commandment ….Blasphemy is the use of the name of God, of Jesus Christ, or the Virgin Mary, and of the Saints in an offensive way. Just one example every time their gospa appears, she brings Jesus and satan..., or stating Mary dropped the baby Jesus, will save the world, attributing sainthood messages to a defrocked or suspended priest illegally involved with the Ustache rebels.
2215 Respect for parents 4th Commandment – respect ….in docility and obedience. We know, the 15 year old SEER and her friend upon the first claim of an apparition finally after several lies, that they had gone up to the hill to smoke cigarettes stolen from their fathers. (against their parents knowledge). The claim then is while being “disobedient to their parents and stolen cigarettes, their gospa first appears…..think about that one! (Dt5:16;Mk7:10)
2238. Those subject…..”to authority those in authority as representatives of God”. “Let every person be subject….” (Rom13:1-2) [ no exceptions in every person]
Few such examples:
In Bishop’s Zanic report ( see on City of God.Blog), he recounts all the lies they told him in disrespect for His spiritual fatherhood regarding a possible Catholic apparition, followed by countless subterfuges that cost several Franciscans of Herzegovina priests to be suspended or worse. The many lies attributed to several of the Seers, during the investigation should be sufficient to REJECT this apparition as FALSE. (GS47 , 1)
One such priest is named Vego, once a Franciscan of Herezegovina Friar “suspended by his General, ‘a divinis’ – Yet continued to celebrate mass, distribute Sacraments, and pass the time with his mistress Vicka writes of Vega, in her Diary: Dec 12, 1981: “Our Lady said the Bishop is to blame for the “disorder”.
After asking our Lady Apr 15,1982: “they can say mass”,…..stay away from attention until things calm down...”They have NO faults”…What the Bishop is doing is contrary to the will of God Apr 26,1982” “the Bishop has no real love for God in his heart”.
Priests without Authority, hearing confessions of Pilgrims!
Vicka when asked,“If our Lady said this and the Pope says they cannot?” Vicka’s response: “The pope can say what he wants, I am telling it like it is.” The rest of the transcript is loaded with similar discourse and was sent to the Yugoslavian bishop conference.
Perhaps one of the most disconcerting moments in the book is published on p.88, where, referring to a taped interrogation in 1981, Mirjana reports herself speaking rudely and crudely to the police interrogator as follows (with apologies for repeating the – albeit relatively mild – crudity):
I’ll ask you one more time. What did you see on that hill?
Mirjana: I saw Our Lady
Interrogator: You saw shit!
Mirjana: No, that’s what I’m looking at now.
CCC2270: ABORTION- human life must be respected:
2270: Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense:
2274: Since it must be treated from conception….must be defended in its integrity
What doe their gospa say? quoted by Mirjana on p.108: “There were times when I wanted to confront the girls” [about the fact that they were going for an abortion in the morning, then turning up at afternoon classes and talked about it] “But through my daily apparitions and through prayer, Our Lady taught me that preaching to them and being judgemental would only drive them farther away. Instead, I learned to show them love, and I tried to live as an example of someone who knew God’s love.” ( Laurentin )
So, from that do we deduce that Our Lady does not approve of the pro-life activists who try to save the lives of the unborn outside abortion clinics? Must we keep silent in the face of the state sanctioned slaughter of unborn children? Is the willful murder of the innocent child in the womb no longer a sin “crying to Heaven for vengeance”? Just showing “love”, will end the evil – is that it? (CityofGod.Blog Aug 28, 2019 Post Augustine Homily #7 St John’s Epistle 1Jn4:4-14.)
2412- In virtue of commutative justice, reparation for injustice – committed requires the restoration of stolen goods to their owners. Obtaining property under false pretenses, or other sinful acts require restitution. Today it has become common knowledge the SEERS and the villagers have been engaged in profiteering this unapproved apparition. Even as far back as 1982 Bishop Zanic was admonishing the Franciscan of Herezegovina priest for this profiteering, that now has revealed the SEERS,as adults have become wealthy tycoons. ( Lk19:8) But Zacheus standing, said to the Lord: “Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have wronged any man of any thing, I restore him fourfold.”
2451. 7th commandment- enjoins the practice of justice and charity in the administration of earthly goods and the fruits of men’s labors. The avarice of many false Seers is manifest in their materialism, Medjugorje is not the only such example. Is it reasonable to assume the wealth of the Seers obtained from pilgrims would have occurred, had these six and the deviant Church of Franciscans of Herzegovina accepted the Church authority on the many occasions it was exercised over the Herzegovina Question.
2475-2492 Offenses against Truth:
July 11, 1988 Marija lied and admitted it in writing. Marija endorsed a religious community in 1988 established by Fr. Vlasic “gospa – appeared in a joyful mood and blessed the community”; Later,”first declaration does not correspond to the truth’!
Vicka lied again, aided by perjury from her spiritual director. Denis Nolan, Medjugorje promoter, answers the accusation that Vicka kept a diary regarding the apparitions, but lied about this fact to the Bishop. Nolan quotes Fr. Rupcic: “Among the alleged arguments against the apparitions of Medjugorje,
‘Vicka’s diary‘ is of special importance. “This diary is absolutely non-existent.”
2477 Respect for the reputation – of persons . The Seers have engaged in character assassination of the Church and its Bishops, many times chronicled. When city traveled there, I was told these stories and lies, about the government, and the Bishop of Mostar. “Whisper defiles his own soul….”(Sir21:28)
2483. Lying is the most direct offense against Truth. To lie is to speak or act against he truth in order to lead someone to error. By injuring man’s relation to truth and neighbor, a lie offends against the fundamental relation of man and of his word to the Lord.
A Few Examples:
The devout followers of the Franciscans of Herzegovina kidnapped the Bishop, ripped his pectoral cross from him, and held him captive until the Mayor used the United Nations to free him. Laurentin now admits, incredibly blaming the Bishop himself (much like blaming a rape victim for “asking for it”)
In defiance of the Bishop, a Church was bricked shut and an illegal bishop brought in by the Franciscans of Herzegovina, who had been expelled by Pope John Paul II, but allegedly defended by Mary, according to Vicka ..origin they hid so that he might give the sacrament of confirmation.” This bricked-shut Church is a statement of rebellion against the Bishop of Mostar by the Franciscans of Herzegovina, and indicates an important “fruit” of Medjugorje which would be unmentioned except for the journalism and research of people like Jones and Davies.[As one may recall Laurentin represented today’s leading Mariologists, It is now admitted by Laurentin, who laments that he is regarded as senile for still believing in the apparitions. ]
The Franciscans of Herzegovina in Medjugorje are in a state of disobedience to Rome!, and the apparitions have supported their disobedience. Laurentin quotes the Franciscan General
to the province of Herzegovina (November 4, 1996) as stating that “the complete normalization of our province is suspended. Our province has not held a chapter since 1976.” When Vicka quoted Mary as endorsing the rebellion of the expelled priests.
By continuing to appear in a province legendary for its disobedience to Rome since the time of Paul VI (disobedience which continues today), the clear implication is that Rome’s authority is secondary.
[In schism since Paul VI reign- 1963-1978] [So the Franciscans of Herzegovina running St. James are NOT in UNION, with Rome!, How long ago? “Our province has not held a chapter since 1976.”]
Their gospa had stated on Jun 30, 1981, that she was going to appear for only three more days, as is documented in the following interview: Cerno. Cerno is a village not far away from Medjugorje. The eighth day after the beginning of the apparitions in Medjugorje there was an “apparition” near Cerno Father Zovko: …what do you talk about with the Gospa? Mirjana: I asked her how many more days she is going to stay with us. She said “three more days.” On the basis of this interview, the apparitions ought to have ceased on Friday, July 3, 1981. Who has been appearing to them since? Vlasic writes that Satan appeared to Mirjana in 1982, followed by Mary? “Dubia”
19, 1981. “Our
Lady said that the bishop is to blame for the disorder in
Herzegovina. She also said that Fr. Ivica Vego is not to blame. This
is 6 months after apparitions, were to end? Then again – January 20,
1982. The children asked what Fr. Ivica Vego and Fr. Ivan Prusina
were to do now that they had been expelled from the Order. Their
gospa answered: “They
are innocent. The bishop was harsh in his decision. They can stay.”
ccc#2489 Charity and respect for the Truth: Well thirty eight years later and counting, this is a proven lie, with thousands of additional lies, visions, messages and gospa dollars to collect. Usually apparitions are not spread as if a wildfire because the honest mystic is reluctant to speak. Unlike Medjugorje intentionally spread the news in days, even the police authorities were on the scene day five! …Their gospa changed her mind, inn-keeping, tourism, and retail of religious hardware, make a better living than sheep herding! “Argue your case…. bring shame upon you and your ill repute have no end.” (Prov25:9-10) ; Betrays secrets…will never find a congenial friend”. (Sir27:16)
2488 respect for truth “The right to communication of the truth is not unconditional”
Unfortunately this exception is being abused by Medjugorje Commerce industry:
I asked Marina to translate this in English. Marina cannot be blamed for having fallen into a community which is concealing the truth. She spontaneously responded according to the practice in Medjugorje: “Do we have to tell them these ugly things”? (Marina B., a tourist guide for Atlas Travel, brought a priest from Panama to my office in August 1989).
The Marian theologian Rene Laurentin behaves in the same manner. He came to visit me around Christmas 1983, and I offered him dinner. …. Laurentin quickly responded: “Don’t publish that, because there are many pilgrims and converts there.” I was scandalized by this statement of this well known Mariologist! Unfortunately this has remained Laurentin’s position ( until his latest book reported above): to hide the truth, and defend falsehoods. He has written around ten books on the topic of Medjugorje and in almost all of them, the truth and Bishop Zanic are under fire.
City began this post with Truth, so it is fitting to end with the same. Isn’t this what an apparition investigation is all about? When during the initial investigation, the bishop and the Vatican experts doing the interviews discover or are told various stories, how can one not be certain these Seers are lying. The Franciscan of Herzegovina priests lied, and were found / caught coaching their prodigies, suspended for insubordination, and graver behaviors. The verbal testimonies deviated from their written diaries as detailed, etc.
The entire mystery of Medjugorje is a boondoggle, for the Catholic Church, from the beginning to the current end, mired in deceptions, scandals, incognito retreats of bishops, and character assassinations……
But the pilgrims keep traveling thousands of miles ‘to say their confession, and go to Mass’? In Open Rebellion, until June, 2019, when the Vatican conditionally permitted it.
One internet poster actually defended deceitful mysticism this way, “since only a dozen or so false doctrinal statements were identified, the balance of the 40,000 or so messages were therefore truthful and useful.”
Is this the state of discernment in Catholic Christianity in 2019?
City will post Bishop’s Zanic report to one of the Bishop Commissions 09/12/19.